To ME, backup over the internet means I am backing up from outside my LAN segment
Exactly, to me as well. Trouble is that the term “internet mode” is confusing you (and not only you), so I will be using “remote clients” for exactly this scenario you laid out. Client in completely different LAN with a different public IP than server, but they are both somehow connected to the internet. When I say “internet mode” I mean the situation when you enabled “internet mode” setting (doesn’t matter where the client is).
If you can “back up over the internet” using some other method NOT listed in the Admin Manual (using broadcasts), good for you. I applaud your prowess.
You clearly don’t know what you are talking about. Forget about the internet for a moment, it is just the basics of how UrBackup works. When you are using default settings, where the server discovers and reaches out to the clients in your LAN, the process of establishing a connection between the server and LAN client is a bit tricky (point 3.2 in the manual). It requires client listening to the broadcast messages - and this part especially is not trivial to set up for remote clients scenario. There is not much you can do on your router, as the client side must be listening, and quite possible that it will be connected via someone’s else router.
If what you are referring to is backing up “over the internet” through an open port, I’d suggest that is not all that tricky. But ymmv.
Now you are talking about port forwarding for “internet mode” - I specifically said it is easy to set up.
You would seem to imply that if I am NOT in the local LAN, I can backup my computer (client) from anywhere in the world — WITHOUT setting up Internet Mode
Well I’m not implying. The whole point of argument is that I’m trying to clearly and strongly state (not imply) that this is exactly what you can do.
You can have the default mode, where the server reaches out to the clients, working without changing a single setting on UrBackup side. Manual doesn’t cover that as it is not that easy to set up and teaching you network basics is simply out of its scope.The fact you don’t even allow it in your head supports my claim. On the other hand, it has second mode of operation called “internet mode” which is very straightforward to explain and understand.
You see it all comes down to a language and semantics argument, not a technical one. This is why the term “internet mode” is a bit unfortunate - it makes sense most of the time, but sometimes when the details matter it confuses people like you, and results in you thinking that “internet mode” is the only way to backup remote clients. Or that you are not supposed to use “internet mode” for clients within your LAN. Or imply that it somehow puts your server on the wild internet.
Finally, you seem to take my comments the wrong way. I am certainly NOT “convinced” of anything - especially as to “my way” is the ONLY way. IF remote clients are not “required” to use “Internet mode”, please expand and provide examples.
OK I was referring to the fact you said “The only way to make a LAN connected computer backup through the Internet setting is to enable said setting”. Sounds like you are confident, but this statement is simply not true. Yes, enabling this setting makes the whole thing a lot easier (you already understand port forwarding) and this is where it got this name from. As to the examples - without another lengthy post, I will just point you to the solution I have tried and used - ZeroTier overlay network, kind of VPN, but more.
